Comment posted by Tim Lorge05/11/2008 03:43:20 PM
Homepage: http://www.groupwarenews.com
Oh ... I thought that too. It's not easy. Everything I've seen from IBM has been contradictory at best. That Open Mic call from a couple weeks ago was not helpful. I was only upgrading from 8.0.0.2 to 8.1 and it took me 4 days with a Sev1 PMR.
Be that as it may, you'll need to upgrade to Domino 7.0.2 & Quickr 8.0.0.2 before you do anything else. There is no direct upgrade from 6.5.1. You then upgrade all of your place designs to 8.0.0.2 before you can do anything else. After that, upgrade Domino to 8.0.1 and without even so much as a restart, immediately install Quickr 8.1. Do not even so much as reboot and let the Domino changes settle out. You are supposed to upgrade both Domino & Quickr simultaneously. If you don't you'll crash when HTTP tries to load. Even if you remove HTTP from startup to let Domino settle, you'll crash when design runs at 1 AM.
If you have a lot of places, this is going to take a while. Oh if you're planning on using the SNAPPS templates, you've probably seen that they break in 8.1. I've heard good things about them though and can't wait for the 8.1 versions.
Other than that, it looks great. I like what they've done and hope it becomes a Sharepoint killer.
Good luck, God Speed and email me if you have any questions. Oh and thanks for voting on my Quickr/Dom.Doc Idea Jam. 
http://ideajam.net/IdeaJam/P/ij.nsf/0/8E9077A56C3F353A8625743E006AFE05?OpenDocument
Comment posted by Bruce05/11/2008 04:01:42 PM
Tim,
Great feedback. Maybe I should just create a brand new instance of Quickr and migrate over one place at a time. Your thoughts on this?
Comment posted by Tim Lorge05/11/2008 11:48:39 PM
Homepage: http://www.groupwarenews.com
Well, I think that would depend on the number of places we're talking about. On the Open Mic call, there was a guy who had over 5,000 of them and needed a window of up to 72 hours just for updating the template design on his places.
As I understand the upgrade process, anyway you slice it, you're going to need to upgrade to 8.0.0.2 then 8.1 anyway. If you're talking a couple hundred on a reasonably quick box, then Quickr should upgrade rather quickly. Sorry, I couldn't avoid the wordplay.
I think before anything, the main question should be, what version of Domino are you running? If you aren't on Domino 8.0.1 yet, then I'd only go to Quickr 8.0.0.2 and phase in that way. If you are on Domino 8.0.1, then you'll have to bite the bullet and follow the entire process. I'm not sure Blue has really worked all the kinks out of this one, at least from a documentation perspective.
In lieu of that, Daniele Vistalli has a nice, concise upgrade procedure for Quickr 8.0.0.2 to 8.1. If you want to try the coexistence route, the Quickr 8.0 docs mention that it can be done and is supported during upgrade, for what that's worth.
http://www.vistalli.it/blog/vistalliblog.nsf/dx/quickr-8.1-after-the-upgrade.htm?opendocument&comments#04032008120725AMCOLTXP.htm
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/lqkrhelp/v8r0/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.lotus.quickr.admin.dom.doc/install/qp_inst_ug_process_t.html
Comment posted by Andy Dennis05/12/2008 01:36:56 AM
Homepage: http://www.lan2lan.com
Hi Bruce
From experiance, going for a new instance and migrating the places across would be the cleanest approach and give you a backout plan if one of the places refused to migrate. Also watch out for the authentication, if your currently using Domino, you may get issues with th e new templates. If it s a key production enviroment, go with a pilot and test a sample migration. I'd also go with Tim's suggestions that it comes down to the number of places you have..
Good Luck. Andy
Comment posted by Victor Toal05/14/2008 06:13:37 AM
Homepage: http://blogs.toalsys.com
Bruce!
I have done several for clients.The absolute cleanest way (that leaves you a way out) is like Andy added above: create a new server and start clean. That gives you time to do a test (custom template design by clients .... the good, bad and ugly of Quickr migrations) and you have a better idea of how long the migration will take and what kind of outage you will need. It also gives the clinet time to test functionality etc.
The real test comes when you have to integrate with Sametime and/or there is a change of directory ... then all bets are off and you will need to burn hours of testing. 
GOOD LUCK - it aint that hard ... Victor
Comment posted by Keith Brooks05/15/2008 06:58:48 AM
Homepage: http://lotustech.blogspot.com
Yes if you can use a new box is the best way to go.
The problem is there is no way to upgrade the older QP files(say previous to 6) and you end up needing to do so me upgrades on the older box.
If this is not an issue fo ryou, then you can copy all the files over tot he new server and runt he qptools for registering the sites and upgrading the templates just like int he install guide(which is way out of synch with reality) make sure you search and find all the technote updates which point out the mistakes in the Quickr docs.
Sametime integration is NOT covered very well either. You can try to use the QP7 tech notes on it.
The online wiki is useless, or was last time I tried to use it a few months back.
Upgrade Domino then QP to Quickr and it will be fine. Some people just like restarting machines needlessly, you Microsoft junkies what did you do work on a help desk?
Daniele's site is great and don't forget the long list of hotfixes et al for Quickr 8002 and then some updates for 8.1.
We're all out here for you when y ou need us.
